tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3260342700988100186.post7407920013747001562..comments2023-05-27T10:25:09.088-04:00Comments on Roy Delgado Blog: Good vs. Bad CartooningRoy Delgadohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05613385597972034774noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3260342700988100186.post-793008011066572362009-06-10T16:04:09.195-04:002009-06-10T16:04:09.195-04:00Hi Garry,
Thank you for clearing it up again. Thi...Hi Garry,<br />Thank you for clearing it up again. This proves the danger of running your mouth because you " HEARD " something, that you THOUGHT was true. This should settle it once and for all. I appreciate it and I can say I got it directly from the top. Now I can straighten somebody out when I hear it wrong again.<br />Thanks for explaining it and keep up the great work.<br />I apologize if my choice of words in any way was disparaging or insulting in any way to you or anyone . . . like Sonia Sotomayor explained it: " IT WAS A POOR CHOICE OF WORDS", RIGHT ?<br />RoyRoy Delgadohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05613385597972034774noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3260342700988100186.post-88603227186136696692009-06-10T14:13:26.797-04:002009-06-10T14:13:26.797-04:00I didn't say I did the complete strip; I said ...I didn't say I did the complete strip; I said I drew it. The first year of syndication I did all the writing, penciling and inking, but ever since, I've produced the strip in exactly the same manner: I write every word, draw very tight pencils (not "rough storyboards"), and send them to my assistant Don Carlton in Kansas City, who traces over them in ink. The operative word is trace. Another assistant handles the Sunday coloring with me.<br /><br />So UPS editors didn't hire somebody to replace my "inferior" art, even if they could, which they contractually can't and by temperament, wouldn't. They are extremely respectful of their creators; the use of assistants is at our discretion, not theirs. (Aaron Magruder made his own hires as well, and not to "improve" his art.)<br /><br />What's odd is that for the first decade or so of the strip I got blamed for my art -- and ever since, can't seem to get credit for it. Don and I have explained how the strip is produced countless times, but people still get it wrong. The Wall Street Journal even editorialized about Don drawing the strip (a sign of my inauthenticity, apparently) and was forced to publish a retraction. <br /><br />The web, of course, has continued to keep the lie alive and well.Garry Trudeaunoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3260342700988100186.post-18502666916553602452009-06-10T11:21:54.481-04:002009-06-10T11:21:54.481-04:00This information has had widespread distribution f...This information has had widespread distribution for years from more than one reputable cartoon scource. I'm going to investigate this and ask THEM where they got the idea that Garry Trudeau has not been doing the complete strip: writing, pencilling AND inking the strip since 1968. <br /><br />If this is not true, They owe Mr. Trudeau a public correction and apology and myself as well. I gladly and personally apologize if this is not true. ( and would never repeat it again )<br /><br />I just hope it is not a parsing of words, the storyboard rough pencilling by Garry, the inking by someone else . . would this be considered " still drawing the strip since 1968 " ? <br /><br /> On the same subject, Matt Groening said to me personally in Boca Raton FL that if he was to go out today and try to get a job cartooning The Simpsons, he couldn't get a job. He just never honed his skills to the level that it needs to be. Nothing wrong with that. It needs to be as good as it can be. ( from the buyer or customer's point of view ).<br /> <br />Regarding BOONDOCKS, it was actually McGruder's idea to have someone else carry on the strip because when he moved to Hollywood, developing and overseeing the animation of Boondocks was too exhausting.<br />And Universal made sure the quality was there, slightly improved, and still keeping its integrity. Different angles and viewpoints and settings that never were there when McGruder was doing it. <br /><br />nuf sed.Roy Delgadohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05613385597972034774noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3260342700988100186.post-48986114805422800742009-06-10T00:30:39.515-04:002009-06-10T00:30:39.515-04:00Hi, Rod:
Just wondering where you got the idea th...Hi, Rod:<br /><br />Just wondering where you got the idea that UPS changed artists on Doonesbury. For better or worse, I've been drawing it since 1968.Garry Trudeaunoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3260342700988100186.post-68268386444299361592009-06-09T18:09:33.106-04:002009-06-09T18:09:33.106-04:00Hi Rod,
Interesting viewpoint. I understand and a...Hi Rod,<br />Interesting viewpoint. I understand and appreciate exactly what you mean. <br /> Remember, I was responding to Bob Mankoff's use of the term "GOOD BAD DRAWING". ( We ALL know what he meant, don't we ? ) <br />And he was responding to a question from the audience which basically asked " why so many "BAD" drawings in your magazine ? ( Remember, the customer,the paying PUBLIC thinks they are BAD, but you could argue, what the hell do THEY know ? )<br /><br />Bob agrees with you wholeheartedly, and you agree Bob wholeheartedly. <br /><br />I am fully aware of the explanations given, I was merely saying that from a COMMERCIAL viewpoint, UNIVERSAL PRESS SYNDICATE, most people would agree, KNOW what they are doing. I don't think you could talk them into going back to TRUDEAU'S original drawings and McGruder's original drawings , ( Because it is the right thing to do ) do you ?<br /><br />I think we are talking about two different things here (1) WHAT IS TRUE ART and (2) How do you make money, lots of money in this commercial cartooning business when you have good writing. ( Some "TRUISTS" call this " Selling Out " )<br /><br />Of course when you start bringing in other cartoonists styles like CHARLES SCHULZ ( PEANUTS ) and SAUL STEINBERG'S ART ( Just for starters ) from The New Yorker, to me, it is a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT DISCUSSION, THEN, I COMPLETELY JUMP OVER TO YOUR SIDE, AND DEFEND IT. ( Because now, it's like apples and oranges )<br /><br />Actually, I think that SIPRESS, SMALLER and other "good bad cartoonists' ( According to Mankoff ) in their minds, think or believe they are in the same league classification as a STEINBERG or SCHULZ and maybe they are( We believe what we think is the truth ). All we have is the way we believe and you cannot prove anything. To find the truth is what everyone has been searching for since Socrates, and it is elusive. All we have are opinions, and sometimes they are like elbows . . everybody's got 'em. <br /><br />Ultimately,only with facts, tested by reason and logic, of course can we find the truth. <br /><br />Good comment,Rod, thanks.<br /><br />Question: What is the unemployment rate in the U.K. ? <br /><br />P.S. Actually, I "LIKE " both Sipress AND Smaller. Commercially though, if Universal Press was handling their comics, I'm SURE they would hire someone else to do their art work, just like DOONESBURY/TRUDEAU and BOONDOCKS/ McGRUDER, Wanna bet ?Roy Delgadohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05613385597972034774noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3260342700988100186.post-60822801578470033592009-06-09T16:51:23.615-04:002009-06-09T16:51:23.615-04:00It is a given that a good joke will save a bad dra...It is a given that a good joke will save a bad drawing, but a good drawing will not save a bad joke. <br /><br />Roy, I'm of the opinion that the way a cartoon is drawn is the way it is meant to be. I don't believe in a proscribed notion of what is a well drawn cartoon because a "good drawing" is not the most foregrounded (in historical art terms) quality in what is actually a device to deliver a joke to the reader.<br /><br />Just as a trumpet and a saxaphone, both in the brass section and both musical instruments, are differentiated by their unique "timbre", the way a given cartoonist draws is their unique signature.<br /><br />I like Barbara Smallers drawings and Dave Sipress's drawings becasue that is their unique signature. I liked the way David Myers drew because it was unique to him - you would maybe consider him a bad drawer, but you could say the same about Quinten Blake. Sometimes I love that unruled line and that wayward squiggle in a sort of Wabi-Sabi way.Rod McKiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15322224888246015883noreply@blogger.com